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October 2, 2008

Was THAT A Vice Presidential ‘Debate’?








 Palin came out swinging.  I have to give her credit for fighting for her party – she held her own.  But Palin didn’t debate, she came with talking points and we were going to hear them whether or not we asked her about them.  Forget the rules; she was going to get out her talking points come hell or high water!  Palin asked herself her own questions and answered her own questions – especially about energy, energy, energy, amazing!

 I believe that Palin had a personal victory since she did not implode and she did better that she has been for the past 3 weeks.  However, Biden won the debate because he spoke about polices, specifics and answered questions voters wanted to hear.

Palin’s entire performance was rhetorical and abstract and metaphoric – she had no specifics.  She never said what the policies of a McCain presidency would be nor did she say how McCain’s presidency would differ from Bush’s – not on the economy, on Iraq, on Afghanistan or on Foreign Policy – her responses were all abstract, not literal and figurative. Based on substance she didn’t help the McCain campaign and it was ’embarrassing’ that she didn’t know McCain’s record therefore she contradicted McCain on things like his same sex marriage policy.

Palin was folksy, energetic, cartoony, gimmicky and seemed to be ‘playing the role of a character’ as if she was in a play or movie.  She didn’t listen to questions; she just answered her own questions based on her talking points.

 What was of particular interest was when Palin said she would expand the role of the Vice Presidency by changing the constitution so that the vice president would have more legislative power – very curious indeed. Hmmm.

But is it still a debate if Palin didn’t answer the questions or follow the rules of debating?

P.S. I think Gwen Ifill did a great job. 





Obama/Biden 08!



  1. Though I’m not sure who I’m voting for yet, I agree that Palin did a lot of “talking” and very little debating. I was left wondering how she would be able to “hold her own” if in the VP seat.

    Comment by Jenice — October 2, 2008 @ 11:37 pm | Reply

  2. Hey Jenice, thanks for stopping by. The debate was interesting. I understand that you’ve not committed to a candidate but I urge you to at least think about your pocket book and bank account. A McCain presidency promises tax breaks to the VERY wealthy – those making over $5 million annually. McCain said in the debate last Friday that he would implement a ‘spending freeze’ – that means roads and bridges will not be repaired. That means that we’ll have less police on our streets, which means that our students in public schools will get even less help than they get now – so if students have to take their own copy paper and supplies to school, they have to take even more supplies and items to school. That means that meal programs in schools will be cut.

    Please think of how a McCain or an Obama presidency will affect the senior citizens in your family.

    Regardless of what you decide, please vote.


    Comment by Paulette — October 2, 2008 @ 11:54 pm | Reply

  3. You may have saw that I predicted Palin would win debate…I was wrong. Biden rocked that debate, and Palin didn’t change any minds.
    If you were for McCain before the debate, you are relieved, if your an undecided voter, then your still undecided or leaning Obama.

    Comment by sensico — October 3, 2008 @ 12:30 am | Reply

  4. paulette, why would you expect a “mavrick” to answer questions posed by a moderator in a debate???!!! more to the point, why would you expect a puppet to do anything but spout the party lines. as usual, you’re right on point in your analysis: biden did an outstanding job of showing why he should be vice president; the “mavrick” — not so much!

    Comment by angelic1 — October 3, 2008 @ 12:40 am | Reply

  5. Angelic, Tortuca and Sensico – you are ALL correct.

    Biden did well, we couldn’t ask for more and reiterated the Obama/Biden policies several times; Palin just kept spewing random rhetoric and giving ‘shout outs’.

    She was feisty so that was fun, but feisty is not a qualification to become VP.

    Comment by Paulette — October 3, 2008 @ 10:44 am | Reply

  6. Can we all just agree that the scariest thing is her desire, like Cheney, to thwart the Constitution when it comes to the role of VP? Sorry, it’s NOT in the legislative branch. Cheney tried to use that argument to get his way with the use of national security info. By-passing the Constitution?

    The other day McCain said with a straight face that he always aspires to be a dictator. What kind of a f*cking statement is that? I even watched the video. It was not said wryly, there was no twinkle in the eye to say it’s a joke. He said it matter-of-factly when talking about getting Congress to pass the rescue plan.

    These two scare the shit out of me. They are Bush/Cheney ’08, and if anyone thinks differently, then you need to wake up because you’re deluding yourself.

    Comment by Bruce — October 3, 2008 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

  7. I think the McCain camp strategy was pretty clear. After the last two weeks of Katie Couric/Sarah Palin trainwrecks, they had to have Palin work off a very clear script and not deviate. And she sure didn’t.

    When you have a candidate that can’t think of a supreme court decision she disagrees with you need to keep her on a very short leash. I’m not even American and I know the answer to that supreme court decision question is Dred Scot, Plessy v. Ferguson and Bush v. Gore

    What I find truly shocking is that people call these staged events debates. If you enjoy watching your political leaders go head to head on issues you are really missing out because what I saw last night (and every four years) is the furthest thing from a real exchange I could imagine. Even when both candidiates answer the questions they are asked these things are barely debates. Last night Palin took the phoniness of the debate process to a new level.

    It’s very sad.

    Comment by dougpastorek — October 3, 2008 @ 12:37 pm | Reply

  8. I talked about the debate in a couple of posts on my blog … I too thought Ifill did a good job. She was fair. But I wish she’d followed up on some of Palin’s evasions.

    Comment by deannaizme — October 3, 2008 @ 1:03 pm | Reply

  9. Hey Doug – welcome back!!! Missed you!

    That was NOT a debate. Palin showed up and chatted about whatever she wanted to – that’s what she did.

    As litigious as we are in the US, it is appalling that she could not think of ONE friggin’ case – not ONE. Beyond ridiculous and embarrassing.

    Canadians, Brits and Europeans must be laughing at us here in the US because also, over here in our air apace, when the mighty bells tolls also, McCain and Palin also are like, wow, like a reality show also.

    Comment by Paulette — October 3, 2008 @ 2:58 pm | Reply

  10. Deanna unfortunately because of the rules of the ‘debate’ Ifill was not ‘allowed’ to follow-up.

    I guess Team McCain knew how they planned to prep Palin when they re-negotiated the rules of the debate three weeks ago.

    They wanted her to be able to speak without being questioned or challenged.

    Comment by Paulette — October 3, 2008 @ 3:02 pm | Reply

  11. Bruce, I also saw also that interview when McCain also proclaimed that he also wants to be a dictator. And Palin wants to increase the powers of the VP –they must have been feasting on moose balls to have such audaciousness?!

    They also would be WORST than Bush/Cheney because they are BRAZEN with their intentions also.

    Look at how Palin just talked about what they wanted her to and completely ignored the rules. My gosh, what would they do if they also were in power also???

    They would say, ‘we told the people what we were going to do while we were campaigning and they voted for us, so that was approval for me to King of America.’


    Comment by Paulette — October 3, 2008 @ 3:12 pm | Reply

  12. Paulette, I know that’s what the rules were. I just wish she’d tried to get Palin to answer.

    Comment by deannaizme — October 3, 2008 @ 7:21 pm | Reply

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