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August 11, 2008

Russia/George War: Is Russia Trying To Rebuild The Soviet Union?

 Map of Russia as it exists today.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said Russian forces had effectively cut his country in half. Russia captured the central city of Gori and its armored vehicles rolled deep into western Georgia on Monday, seizing a military base and several towns and opening a second front of fighting. The State Department said it has evacuated more than 170 U.S. citizens. Poland and other former Soviet satellites have expressed deep anxiety that the escalation of fighting signals Russia’s willingness to use force to dominate the newly democratic region.

  Map of the Soviet Union when it controlled the entire Eurasia region.

From 1945 until dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 – a period known as the Cold War – the Soviet Union and the United States of America were the two world superpowers that dominated the global agenda of economic policy, foreign affairs, military operations, cultural exchange, scientific advancements including the pioneering of space exploration, and sports – including the Olympic Games and various world championships.

Initially established as a union of four Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR grew to contain 15 constituent or “union republics” by 1956: Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR.

It seems that Russia is ready to reclaim what they believe to be theirs.  This could escalate into something very scary especially since Russia is now claiming that America is helping Georgia.

Russia is not Iraq – they will fight America if they think it’s necessary.  Scary!

Also see: https://letustalk.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/russiageorgia-war-how-america-has-lost-its-world-influence/

 

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19 Comments »

  1. Russia is still a super power. And you are right. They will fight us and they do have weapons of mass destruction. Putin is just as greedy for power as Cheney and he is smarter than both Cheney and Bush put together.

    Comment by Cats r Flyfishn — August 11, 2008 @ 7:21 pm | Reply

  2. Cats, before I started this blog and before the elections were front and center I use to email my ‘list’ an update about Russia every month. Russia has been edging towards war for over two years. They’re just showing the US that they are ready to fight. I believe their goal is to get into an adversarial stance with America. This is NOT good at all. America’s resources are stretched to the limit. We could not mobilize quickly to protect America — all our resources are abroad.

    Comment by Paulette — August 11, 2008 @ 7:47 pm | Reply

  3. Paulette – help me understand, why would Russia want to get into a conflict with the US? How would they benefit from a war with the US? This puzzles me because they know that we have nukes and long range missiles, too.

    Comment by Cats r Flyfishn — August 11, 2008 @ 9:08 pm | Reply

  4. Paulette, found this:
    http://loomisnews.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/conservatives-are-scared-the-madness-of-john-mccain/#comment-1548
    over at Loomis’ blog. He mentions McCain’s visit to Georgia, the country.

    Comment by Cats r Flyfishn — August 11, 2008 @ 9:19 pm | Reply

  5. NATO is going to have to get involved. Quickly. It’s scary and sad and must stop.

    Comment by Bruce — August 11, 2008 @ 9:21 pm | Reply

  6. Here is more info on how and why Russia is attacking Georgia from the ground view;

    http://lovedbyher.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/russia-georgia-war-defines-brutality-of-russian-government/

    I also just got off the IM with a friend in the Ukraine who said the people of the Ukraine got Russias message and would vote a Russian Candidate at the next election. It seems if USA does not help Georgia much more is at stake.

    Comment by Just — August 12, 2008 @ 3:47 am | Reply

  7. Bush just threw Georgia under the bus like he does with everything else that is of no further use to him.

    Comment by Cats r Flyfishn — August 12, 2008 @ 8:46 pm | Reply

  8. Sometimes you must respond to evil so that good will flourish. Putin is KGP and his generation must be denied the ability to force Russia back into its 1960 mentality. If he can be stopped and denied power the younger generation of Russians does not share his views, yet.

    In addition, I think you might be over estimating the Russian Army. Remember that 15 years ago they were selling their own weapons to purchase food. One of their ships become a floating restaurant another scrap metal.

    I’m not an advocate of war but it appears Russia has chosen the time and the place. If the USA does not respond by calling the bluff Russia will continue to Gobble up Georgia, Ukraine, Poland and all other victimless countries until the USA stops Russia or we become powerless to do so. Hitler already gave the world a history lesson on the cost of turning a cheek. Must we wait for Putin to replay history, again?

    Comment by Just — August 16, 2008 @ 12:41 am | Reply

  9. As a Australian what scares me most is that any major inter-power conflict the US gets involved in our government will go too with at the most little hesitation. At least the US as a strong power gets quite a bit of choice as to where it goes unlike Australia.

    Comment by Andrew — August 17, 2008 @ 3:57 am | Reply

  10. Andrew – I understand your point-of-view. There’s no win/win solution. Russia is being a bully and Georgia should be defended but I believe there are too many wars, senseless wars, wars because of greed. Why don’t these world leaders who initiate war go in a boxing ring and duke it out with each other? IT’s pretty much their wars – we, their citizens don’t always agree but they don’t care.

    World leaders who love war should beat each other to the ground in a ring on TV – not devastate people’s lives and homes.

    Comment by Paulette — August 17, 2008 @ 6:19 am | Reply

  11. We in Russia do not wish to be at war with anybody. But also in insult of we shall not give!! The world is necessary to us

    Comment by Platon — August 29, 2008 @ 7:58 am | Reply

  12. Actually, Putin is 2,000 times more smarter then Bush and Chaney. At the time when these two businessmen turned the rest of Islamic world against U.S. and sent economy into stagnation, Putin has rebuilt Russia, build strong relationships both with Jews and Muslims, so Russians are not attacked on either sides of the globe. Americans, instead, fear to move even within the U.S. because they think of everyone outside of their towns as terrorists.

    Comment by Felix — September 23, 2008 @ 11:39 am | Reply

  13. The USA has his hands tied to stop the russians. Realistically, the NATO will NEVER mobilize against russia or any nuclear power unless any of its member states is threatened directly. Its simply suilcidal, and as blunt as it sounds, the former soviet satellites, in the most part, are not worth the effort -from a estrategic standpoint-

    Russia is exterting its sphere of influence, and there is just nothing the world can do about it, like the world would do nothing if USA invaded venezuela or any american country.

    Comment by Agamenon — October 28, 2008 @ 1:25 am | Reply

  14. I don’t like it when people say things like “Russia is overstepping itself” or “Russia’s children must be taught democracy”. The United States is just sore because Russia is becoming powerful again. There are many people in Russia who are proud of Communism and Putin. Firstly, Americans have no right to say Russia is overstepping itself when they consider they have a duty to “police the world and own everyone”. I heard of a guy in Russia who said they couldn’t imprison him because he was an American, utter trash. Then we have the fact that the United States has been interfering with-what?-just about every nations business? The crimes commited against Communists by the United States are endless.

    Comment by Alexaneder — March 27, 2009 @ 11:22 pm | Reply

    • Alexandeder – I understand your sentiments exactly. All our nations make up the world…

      Comment by Paulette — March 30, 2009 @ 9:53 am | Reply

  15. I can’t belive peoples from USA are so brainwashed.I really can’t belive you guys can’t see the truth.Russia wanted peace no more cold war,so we decided to end the cold war by destroing our Soviet Union.We made the first step to peace,but you don’t want to be peace.You want to have the total global power.You said Nato would not come closer to us.Look now.YOu are at our borders.What do you think we should do? Just wait and see you come and conquer us just like you did with Iraq for oil???Now you want that missile shield? For what? Iran and N korea don’t have missiles that travel so far. How many countryies you have invaded and we said nothing.You want to make all countries and state leaders puppets.Shakashvili is one of them.Georgians have invaded South ossetia,and killed our peoples,What we should do? Stay and wait? NO NO NOO..No more.We should arm ourselfs,we should recover the lost years,when we wanted peace.You don’t want peace with us? we will give you war,we should make you suffer,to know how is to feel the pain.Now look at you.Now monye,no recourses,your military is getting old and rusty,because the lack of money you cant build new weapons.Any emipire has fallen.We have fallen too but we have the power to recover ourself.Now it’s your turn to fall.The fall of Rome,the fall of USA.But you won’t have the power to recover.Russia existed before United states,and it will continue to exist after USA will fall.WE WILL NERVER FORGET WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO US.YOU HAVE TAUNTED OUR CULTURE,MILITARY,HISTORY AND ECONOMY.IN THE END WE WILL SEE WHO IS THE ONE WITH THE TAUNT !!!

    Comment by Flavynsky — May 11, 2009 @ 2:59 am | Reply

  16. I completely agree with you Flavynsky and Alexaneder. Since the collapse of the soviet union America enjoys thinking of itself as a kind of “world police” invading whoever they want, usually for a combination of wealth, power and creating an international climate of fear for their “great nation”, fooling both their own public and their allies by raising some form of “morale issue”; that nobody dares disagree with lest the truth conflict with their own brainwashed ideals of a “free democratic country”. I find it Ironic that when America invades Iraq for dubious reasons to say the least there are a few demonstrates and the UN stamps its powerless feet but thats pretty much the start and end of the opposition. However when Georgia starts firing rockets into south ossetian villages and conducting air strikes on civilian populations, followed by a massive ground assault (not to mention the mass genocide and ethnic cleansing) and Russia steps in to save lives; Russia is suddenly trying to rebuild the soviet union and prepare for an all out attack on the united states! I for one welcome a powerful Russia with a powerful military to keep America in check in a world where politics seems to be becoming dangerously right wing. Finally what disgusts me the most about the united states (amongst many things) is this absurd anti-russian, anti-communist feeling. The world seems ready to discuss the brutality of Stalins purges (which i am not denying) however we readily forget the enormous sacrifice made by the soviet union and its people during the second world war. As a Jew myself living in London, i can say with no doubt in my mind that if it were not for the soviet union and communism i would not be alive today.

    Comment by Nick — May 20, 2009 @ 6:21 pm | Reply

  17. I totally agree with Flavynsky. end of story. he took the words right out of my mouth.

    P.S. not all Americans are brainwashed zombies following puppet governments. Republicans cause our problems and Democrats do nothing to solve it! Socialism i believe will work for the world. people just have to stop being brainwashed and WAKE UP.

    Comment by Alex (American Communist) — July 31, 2009 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

  18. Beautifully said, Nick.

    Comment by Andrew the Australian — September 22, 2009 @ 5:18 am | Reply


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